Ice Blue

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  My Story Part 1

  by Robinhood in

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  i chose to remain cloaked as to my true identity for now.

  because the watchtower trolls who lurk here need to eat fresh meat.

  i will not be a quick and easy disfellowship assignment for the local boys.

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  Ice Blue

  Hi Robin

  Thank you for posting. I too hold on to some anonimity, not unusual on this site - but tragic. Still have a daughter and son-in-law active in the Borg - long story and very painful.

  Ice
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  ".......... but are as angels in heaven"

  by Ice Blue in

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  one of the many teachings that troubled my conscience matthew 22:30. does this mean that after armageddon there will essentially be several different classes of people ie survivors (who may marry) and resurrected ones (who may not) and those born after armageddon (presumably who may)?

  does this mean the resurrected ones will be sexless - like 'drones'?

  surely then they will not be the same person that they were?

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  Ice Blue

  I know of some old timers that have long past away by now who did not re-marry after their spouses died because they wanted to wait for the new system so they could be there for them in the resurrection

  Yeh, I knew some such too. They said they would be content to be their 'companions'. Does this mean a possibility of a marriage that isn't a marriage, a living together that isn't actually 'living together'. I never did see any scripture to support the view
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  Most Dubs Know Its Garbage.........

  by ISP in

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  i have contacts with quite a few dubs....still and can talk freely to a small number.

  thats the conclusion that i've come to.

  at least ones that have been in it some time.

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  Ice Blue

  Responsibility - it takes away responsibility.

  The rules are hard and fast, mostly black and white (well mostly black) and we are bound to them for many reasons, guilt being the foremost. We become mindless and controlled, actively discouraged from making decisions about what is right and what is wrong. All moral dilemmas are covered in one book or another, all possible experiences (including likely outcomes) explained, eventually eroding our trust in ourselves to the point of becoming incapable of believing that it is actually possible to lead a clean, upright and worthwhile life - and make the decisions to do so all by yourself.

  Edited by - Ice Blue on 31 July 2002 18:2:27
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  Ever lie on your service reports?

  by The_Bad_Seed in

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  *laughing just thinking about it*.

  did anybody out there lie on their service reports that they maintained the 'national average' when in reality you got .005 hours of service in any given month?

  i magically always used to always get "10" hours out in service, while nobody ever saw me at the groups, no one ever caught on, or seemed not to -- maybe they just didn't give a shit.. i always lied so i could keep my microphone 'privelidges' -- that being, the privelidge to walk around at the back of the hall giving my deflated ass a break from those awful chairs they had.

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  Ice Blue

  Shame on you all!!

  I have to say I worked my butt off to get my hours in. I doubt it was love of God though - more a fear, guilt and a tendency toward compulsive obsessional behaviour.

  The worst I did was borrow an hour from the following month, which I always made up, but suffered terribly for guilt wise.

  Really must do something about the 'G' word, anyone got any ideas???????????
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  Facial Hair Poll

  by LittleToe in

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  the background to this thread is that i love wearing (?

  ) a beard, but my wife hates it.

  i've changed my profile pic to reflect four states of facial hairiness (if it doesn't show, hit "refresh" on your browser).. i'm interested in your opinions.

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  Ice Blue

  Number 4 without a shadow of a doubt.

  I just love a full beard, get goose bumps just thinking about it. Have you got hairy arms too? Ooooh, I think I am going to faint

  Ice
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  ".......... but are as angels in heaven"

  by Ice Blue in

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  one of the many teachings that troubled my conscience matthew 22:30. does this mean that after armageddon there will essentially be several different classes of people ie survivors (who may marry) and resurrected ones (who may not) and those born after armageddon (presumably who may)?

  does this mean the resurrected ones will be sexless - like 'drones'?

  surely then they will not be the same person that they were?

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  Ice Blue

  That is why it could be said that the first person (willingly of course) that a person has intercourse with constitutes their marriage mate, because they have 'joined together.'

  NewWay

  going back to an earlier post of yours - as quoted above. Are you saying then that Joseph was not married to Mary? Matthew 1:24? It was taking her home that constituted being married. I think you had better re read your Insight book, under Marriage<Ceremony.

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  but I don't think that that changes who we are essentially

  I think you are wrong. With each new experience we change and we grow, sometimes to a better person, sometimes to a bitter person. I am essentially at this very moment in time (fundamentally, at my most basic self) the fullness of the person I have become, with all my experiences, all my hopes, my fears, my dreams, my passions, my joys - that is who I am, now, in this second, before I experience another moment. So if I were to die in this second and at resurrection just one emotion were taken away from me I would no longer be that person who had so gradually evolved, buffeted by life - I would be someone new. Oh - I may have become that person in time, I grant you - but that was not the point.

  Stealth

  The bible says "Death ends marriage"

  Yeh I know - but I sure as hell don't think I like it. It doesn't seem fair to me, but who am I ????????? Especially when you consider I am about to get a divorce - seems kind of academic, don't you think? (Probably blasted all my chances now)

  SC

  Seems like you've opened up a whole new subject. How many deaths are there? Any takers for a new string?

  Thank you to everyone for your thoughts

  Ice
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  ".......... but are as angels in heaven"

  by Ice Blue in

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  one of the many teachings that troubled my conscience matthew 22:30. does this mean that after armageddon there will essentially be several different classes of people ie survivors (who may marry) and resurrected ones (who may not) and those born after armageddon (presumably who may)?

  does this mean the resurrected ones will be sexless - like 'drones'?

  surely then they will not be the same person that they were?

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  Ice Blue

  But if I die married to someone I love dearly and have connected with that one and have been with that one for many years, but then am ressurected and denied the choice of being with that one and that one being with me......... surely we are then not the same person. Such a change in my emotional status, would change who I am. The person resurrected would not be the person 'deep frozen' - I would have freezer burns, effectively altering me.
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  ".......... but are as angels in heaven"

  by Ice Blue in

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  one of the many teachings that troubled my conscience matthew 22:30. does this mean that after armageddon there will essentially be several different classes of people ie survivors (who may marry) and resurrected ones (who may not) and those born after armageddon (presumably who may)?

  does this mean the resurrected ones will be sexless - like 'drones'?

  surely then they will not be the same person that they were?

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  Ice Blue

  You read my mind Stealth......... and so eloquent with it!

  Edited by - Ice Blue on 30 July 2002 17:14:40
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  ".......... but are as angels in heaven"

  by Ice Blue in

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  one of the many teachings that troubled my conscience matthew 22:30. does this mean that after armageddon there will essentially be several different classes of people ie survivors (who may marry) and resurrected ones (who may not) and those born after armageddon (presumably who may)?

  does this mean the resurrected ones will be sexless - like 'drones'?

  surely then they will not be the same person that they were?

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  Ice Blue

  I have seen cocoon - no comment!

  The point was though NewWay, if one is resurrected, is one essentially not the same, as one was, when one died? That being the case, isn't it so that one isn't who one was, and therefore does that not make a mockery of the resurrection? You might just as well start all over, as a baby, but then you wouldn't grow to be the person you were - your experiences would be different. We are all the product of a combination of things, our genes, our experiences, - our whole life course helps to determine who we become. Are you with my drift?

  Edited by - Ice Blue on 30 July 2002 16:59:32
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  ".......... but are as angels in heaven"

  by Ice Blue in

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  one of the many teachings that troubled my conscience matthew 22:30. does this mean that after armageddon there will essentially be several different classes of people ie survivors (who may marry) and resurrected ones (who may not) and those born after armageddon (presumably who may)?

  does this mean the resurrected ones will be sexless - like 'drones'?

  surely then they will not be the same person that they were?

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  Ice Blue

  Stealth - It's quite amazing just how much we have to 'wait on Jehovah' for. It's the classic answer for 'I haven't a clue, and don't dare think about it, lest someone thinks I am questioning my faith'